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    everettshannon

    The temperature line in this example doesn't make complete sense to me because the temperature should be higher during menstuation until progesterone gradually wears off. The temp would then level off, and briefly dip prior to ovulation when estrogen is at it's highest. This chart is doing the opposite, which might confuse people.

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    Courtney

    Hey there,

    Thanks for your comments. To clear up any misunderstanding, what you're saying may be true for some women, but isn't actually the case for ALL women. You get your period when the corpus luteum stops producing progesterone. I.e., progesterone production doesn't gradually wear off but rather stops altogether - this is why most women's temperatures will drop back down to their lower range on the first day of their period.

    As for the ovulation dip, this is actually a myth. While some women might experience a small dip in their temperatures right before ovulation, most women do not. Check out this article for more info. 

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    everettshannon

    Hi Courtney - thank you for the information.  I find this chart to look strange because the first day of menstruation is lower than all the other pre-ovulatory temperatures - even ovulation.  I have been charting for about a year and a half, and I always have a dip, so I thought that was a normal thing.  It could also be throwing me off because I am used to Celsius.  I find for me I'm at 37.0 luteal 36.8 menstruation 36.6/5 pre-ovulatory 36.4 ovulation. I have never had a chart go from 37.0 last day luteal to 36.4 first day of period because it always seems to go gradually up or down (except after ovulation ends, which is rises up quickly). It seems like a sudden drop for this person to go from 99.2 to 98.2 in one day. I guess everyone's chart is different though.  Besides that - I just switched from paper charts to the app and I LOVE it!  It is a fantastic tool, and I love that you are helping empower more women with fertility management :)  Keep up the great work!

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    Courtney

    Hey everettshannon - yes, you're absolutely right when you say that everyone's chart is different :) Some women may experience a gradual decrease in temperature in the beginning of their cycles, whereas others won't, and some will experience an ovulation dip every cycle, whereas some may never experience it. So really, no one chart could possibly be an accurate representation for ALL women. 

    I'm so glad to hear you've been enjoying the app! If you ever have any questions or feedback for us, don't hesitate to let us know :)

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    verocaicedo

    Hi, im starting to Chart my Fertility and i love the app! Its being very helpful. But my question is: the day 14 my cervical fluid was watery, the 15 I had no cervical fluid, as well as the 16, 17, so I would say my peak say was the 14th. But my temperature shift occurred the 18th, so if I consider my temperature rise, then the peak day would be the 17th... Which one should be my ovulation day? I'm a little confused since I'm just starting to chart my fertility to avoid pregnancy. Thanks

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    Florelle

    ^^^ yes an answer to this would be helpful.

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    everettshannon

    What were the temps from 14,15,16,17,18? You could have had cervical fluid, but you didn't notice/see it. I find it harder to see it the days I have intercourse.  When you ovulate, the egg lives about 24 hours, so you need to take that in account as well.  

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    verocaicedo

    Thanks everettshannon, mi temps were: 14=96,8 15=97.0 16=97.2 17=97.0 18=97.6 19=97.7 thanks for your help!

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    mgebrian

    Yes, I would like to know the answer to this, too. I always have the most cervical fluid about 4 days before my temp goes up and in the 4 days between the egg white or watery cervical fluid and the temp shift, the cervical fluid dries up completely. I have been charting for 2 years and my temp shift and cervical fluid changes are always very clear, very much the same cycle to cycle, but seemingly uncoordinated with each other.

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    everettshannon

    Hmmm - sometimes it takes a little while for your temperature to get over the base line even though you have already ovulated.  This happens to me most of the time.  Like it usually doesn't go over baseline in one day.  It usually takes me 2 days.  Do you know how many luteal phase days you usually get or the total # of days the cycle was or is this cycle not done yet? 

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    mgebrian

    My luteal phase is 12-15 days. I didn't used to have this lack of coordination between cervical fluid and my temp. Looking back over old charts, it's only been the past 8-10 cycles. But my luteal phase is still the same (12-15 days from the temp shift, regardless of when the most fertile cervical fluid occurred, both when the cervical fluid was coordinated and when it isn't, like now). As a related matter, the position etc. of my cervix has never been even remotely coordinated with the other two indicators. Like it will be high and closed the entire cycle, except one random day in the middle of the luteal phase or something.

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    everettshannon

    How long was the cycle in total?

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    mgebrian

    My cycles are 28-30 days generally, but the shortest in the last year plus was 26, the longest 32.

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    Florelle

    I'm just a beginner at this but I think you should go off the sustained temp rise. As from what I've read and can gather from the info on Kindara that's what confirms ovulation... From what I understand, your CM might show all the signs but ovulation can be delayed by a day or two sometimes so your temp rise is the only way to confirm O. Does this sound right to anyone else? I could be completely off the mark though.

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    heyjsussvs

    Been using this method for birth control and family planning for 20 years! Five children when we were ready and none when we weren't :)

    I find the best way to check cervical fluid is at the cervix. External fluid can be confusing or "late" if-you-will, because it is at the outer labia several hours after being at the cervix. I've always checked fluid at the cervix at the same time I am checking the opening, position and firmness of the cervix.

    I have typically had a definite drop at the start of menstruation and a dip before the luteal phase. I say typical because there are definitely differences - depending on my life at the time! Illness, exhaustion, wakefulness, etc can all shift your charts. This is why it's soooo important to chart every month and not depend on "the usual" because it may not be the usual this month :)

    This method was a blessing for us because I hated chemicals or contraptions!

    This app is AWESOME compared to paper charting. Thank you very much!!!

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    Catherine Bednarczyk

    Can I mark sex as protected if my method is withdrawal?

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    everettshannon

    I mark it as unprotected, and then you can add a field with a radial button that says withdrawal or something like that, and then just check it off.  That way, if you get nervous you are pregnant, you can look back at the detailed notes, and not have to worry too much.  But it's your chart, and you can do whatever you like because you will know your own notes.  I like detailed notes for me so if I am a day late or something I don't get worried because I can see exactly what I did.  Otherwise I wouldn't remember what I did a couple weeks ago.

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    Catherine Bednarczyk

    Thanks for the info. I've been using withdrawal for over a decade, and it's worked thus far. I've always told my gyn I use no protection, but now that I know the failure rate is similar to condoms, I question considering it unprotected. Always good to hear opinions of others!

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    everettshannon

    It's all about what you are comfortable with, and how much it matters if you get pregnant.  I think since your partner knows his body well, you are fine! I guess depending on the person, you could consider 'unprotected' for ejaculation inside and 'protected' as no ejaculation inside because really it's just red or white heart, and the symbols can mean whatever makes the most sense for you. I do different things at different times depending on risk level, so I need more notes, but some other people could do the same thing every time, so they might need less notes.

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    Lauren

    Hi Cathrnb, thanks for contacting us!  I think Shannon has some great suggestions for how to handle marking withdrawal on your chart :)

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    katelyn289

    My temperature rose substantially after my peak day of cervical fluid and stayed higher for three days in a row. But then my temperature dipped down again and has been up and down since then. I am not done with that cycle yet because my period has not started. This is my first cycle to chart. Is it safe to assume that a sustained temperature of at least 3 days after the peak day indicates that ovulation has occurred? I have been consistently taking my temperature first thing in the morning before I even get out of bed. Thanks!

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    Lauren

    Hi Katelyn, thanks for contacting us!  It's generally safe to assume that you're infertile after three elevated temperatures, but it may be worth playing it safe if you're concerned, especially if there is any ambiguity in your cervical fluid patterns or cervix readings over the last week or so.  I hope this helps!

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    abunnen

    I was reading somewhere on kindara that you shouldn't have unprotected sex two days in a row when you are in the dry cervical fluid days because it can alter the cervical fluid reading.. But this person did on C28 and C29. Does that rule not apple for the luteal phase if ovulation has occurred?

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    abunnen

    ^^^*apply not apple! Sorry

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