Healthy Cycle #2

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    Alexandra Zylstra

    What is a peak day? Why can it be different from temperature change?

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    Lauren

    Hi there, your Peak Day is the last day that you experience eggwhite cervical fluid, watery cervical fluid, or a lubricative vaginal sensation. Usually, ovulation occurs on the peak day or the day after. As you may have noticed, you can only determine your peak day after it's already over by noting that your cervical fluid disappears or changes into sticky or creamy.

    If you're trying to get pregnant, timing intercourse as close to the Peak Day as possible maximizes the chance of conceiving.

    The reason your temperature shift occurs after your Peak Day is because the increase in progesterone production (which is what causes your temperature to rise) happens AFTER ovulation.  So usually your Peak Day and Temperature Shift happen within one or two days of each other.

    I hope this helps! Feel free to let me know if you have any other questions :)

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    thewhips.ak

    I am just working on my first chart (and started in the middle of my cycle). I see on most of these example charts that the women have marked no cervical fluid on the days leading up to their period start. I've noticed sticky cervical fluid myself for the past few days and I'm supposed to get my period in the next day or two. Is it normal to have sticky CF in the last few days of your cycle?

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    Lauren

    Hi there, thanks for your question!  Don't worry - it's totally normal to have sticky or even creamy cervical fluid during your luteal phase.  Many women routinely experience this every single cycle.  This sticky/creamy fluid during your luteal phase is not considered infertile as long as you've confirmed the end of your fertile window using the Temp +3 Rule and the Peak Day +4 Rule.  You can read more about these rules here:

    https://kindara.zendesk.com/entries/22043400-The-4-rules-of-using-FAM-as-birth-control-explained

    Let me know if you have any questions about this!

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    s.kerr000

    There is rarely a day that I am completely dry. Almost never really. Is it possible to be fertile everyday except periods?

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    Lauren

    Hi s.kerr, it's actually pretty common to never have any dry days.  Some women simply produce cervical fluid every day, even after ovulation.  These women won't be able to use the "dry day rule" to avoid pregnancy, but you can still consider yourself infertile after you've confirmed ovulation with an elevated temperature shift for at least three days AND at least FOUR days since your last day of eggwhite or watery cervical fluid.  You can read more about how to do this here:

    (https://kindara.zendesk.com/entries/22043400-The-4-rules-of-using-the-Fertility-Awareness-Method-as-birth-control-explained).

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    j_lindsey

    Do many couples do the first 5 days rule? My period is usually almost 5 days until I feel comfortable to even do anything. Just making sure I'm reading right! Thanks!

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    Lauren

    Hi J, thanks for your question!  Quite a few couples do choose to use the First 5 Days Rule, but you absolutely don't have to if you don't want to or don't feel comfortable with it.  As long as you've observed a sustained temperature shift in the previous cycle, you can consider yourself safe to have unprotected sex on Days 1-5 of your cycle (if you've ever had a cycle shorter than 26 days, you're only safe on days 1-3).

    Let me know if you have any questions about this.

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    Aisha Mukooza

    I wish you pointed out that the first five days only apply if Ov was confirmed the previous cycle and you've charted at least 12 ovulatory cycles and none of them was/were less than 25 days. Otherwise only the first three days apply if Ov was confirmed the previous cycle.

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    Lauren

    Hi Aisha, thanks for pointing that out!  Good point - I've updated the post with your suggestions :)

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    whitney.burtenshaw

    What if this is my first cycle off of birth control. Can i do first 5 days or do I have to stick with 3?

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    Sam

    Hi Whitney,

    Since this is your first cycle off of birth control, I would play it safe and only stick with 3 until you have a better understanding of your natural cycle and your normal cycle length.  Please let me know if there's anything else I can help you with!

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    jstring4

    Hi. I seem to nearly always have cervical fluid...except for a day or two after my period. Does this mean I should be extra safe and nearly always use alternative protection?

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    Sam

    Hi JString4, When you have CF after your period but before your temp shift and peak day, these days are considered unsafe for intercourse until after you've confirmed ovulation.  We're looking for dry days in that window, so to be extra safe, yes, I would use alternative protection during this time.

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    krean21

    Hi this is my first time charting and using kindara after I gave birth march 22, 2015. I don't want to have any more kids and I wanted to use natural birth control. So far I don't know how can I share my chart and have someone interpret it for me? I'm still waiting for my next period. When can I have unprotected sex since I don't know my cycle yet after I gave birth. Please help me. Thanks

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    Sam

    Hello,

    Thank you for writing Kindara.  My first question to you would be: have you had a period yet?  If you are breastfeeding, this might be helpful for you: https://kindara.zendesk.com/entries/21827144-Lactational-Amenorrhea-Method-LAM-  Additionally, charting helps you to know whether or not you have started ovulating postpartum and you can share your chart with our community by tapping the share button on the upper right hand corner of your chart in the app.  Additionally, if you send your chart into Feedback@kindara.com one of us will be happy to take a look.  Good luck!

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    Ashleigh

    Hi guys! Just a quick question - is there a reason I can't see predicted ovulation days on the app when I am trying to avoid pregnancy? I am new to the app, but have pre-loaded my exact period days and cycle days back to january. Have not yet charted my cervical fluid, and only just bought a basal themometer 2 days ago...

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    Lauren

    Hi Ashleigh,

    Thanks for contacting Kindara! I'm so sorry about this, but it looks like you don't currently have access to the fertility prediction feature because your goal is set to Avoid Pregnancy. Right now, the app does not tell you which days you're fertile. We do have a basic fertility prediction feature for users with the goal set to Get Pregnant - however because the prediction is based on an average of past cycle data and not the data from the current day, it's not always 100% accurate at determining the fertile window. For that reason, we don't want users to rely on the prediction feature to avoid pregnancy.

    While it would be really useful to have a feature that would just tell you when you're fertile, the thing is that most prediction features are not completely accurate, as they don't take into account ALL of the different factors that can indicate if a woman is fertile or not. Also, every woman is different, so ultimately only you can be the judge of what's going on with your body. After you've been using the Fertility Awareness Method for a while, your ability to gauge when you are fertile or not will be MUCH better than any algorithm's :)

    So, particularly if you don't want to get pregnant, it's best to confirm your fertile days with the daily observation of the primary fertility signs. You can confirm when you're fertile by tracking your temperatures and cervical fluid each day, and applying the 4 rules of using the Fertility Awareness Method as birth control (https://kindara.zendesk.com/entries/22043400-The-4-rules-of-using-the-Fertility-Awareness-Method-as-birth-control-explained).

    If you need more info on how to check your primary fertility signs and what they mean, check out our knowledge base: https://kindara.zendesk.com/home. There's tons of useful info in there.

    If there's anything else I can help you with, please don't hesitate to let me know! Thanks again for writing us :)

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    tapia_ruby90

    hi i want to know what the numbers mean after the peak day u have the 1-14 i dont understand how that works....

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    soniareiter

    Does it mean anything if your temperature shift occurs 2-3 days before your peak day?

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    Lauren

    Hi Tapia_Ruby, thanks for your question!  Hm, are your referring to the numbered temperatures that go from 1-14?  These numbers represent the length of the luteal phase, or the phase after ovulation.  Many women like to keep track of how long their luteal phase typically is because a short luteal phase (less than 10 days) can indicate a luteal phase deficiency and be a barrier to getting pregnant.  Knowing the typical length of your luteal phase can also help predict when your period is going to arrive.  I hope this helps!

     

    Hi Sonia, thanks for your question!  It's actually fairly common for temperature shifts to actually occur before your Peak Day.  Your Peak Day and temp shift won't always line up perfectly and there maybe 1-3 days of variance between them.  If you're practicing FAM to avoid pregnancy, you still need to wait until BOTH the Peak +4 rule and the Temp Shift +3 rules are satisfied before you're safe for unprotected sex.  I hope that helps!

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    scullydeadman

    So my understanding is you start ovulating on the day if your temp shift and your peak day is the last day you notice any cervical fluid..? I just want to be super clear on that.. Because i see other charts with temp shift and peak on the same day which would then mean they ovulated for one day..? Am i right or am i totally confused!?..

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    tanyac21

    Is it possible that the temp shift comes 4-5 days after your PK day?

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